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QUESTION
from "Alice":
Can you tell me how I drain the
expansion tank (hot water systems)? I have a spigot on
the bottom of the tank. What has to be done after it is
drained?
ANSWER:
Alice:
PLEASE NOTE: water in a hot water system can be scalding hot.
You need to be very careful working around your hot water system
to keep yourself from being burned. If you are un-sure what
you are doing, you should contact a trained professional.
Newer hot water systems typically have a diaphragm-type expansion
tank, which is sealed, so it's not necessary to drain it. However,
from time to time, these types of tanks need the air inside
them pressured up. Older hot water systems typically have conventional
expansion tanks that should be flushed out annually. You can
recognize a conventional expansion tank because they will have
two valves around them: a shutoff valve going to the furnace;
and a drain valve on the bottom of the tank.
Here is the procedure for draining a conventional type expansion
tank. First, close the shutoff valve that goes to the furnace.
Position a bucket under the drain valve on the bottom of the
tank. If you cannot position a bucket underneath the drain,
then you can attach a garden hose to the drain, and run the
other end of the hose to a bucket. Once the bucket is in place,
then open the drain valve. The water should flow out, but if
it doesn't, it may be necessary to use a wrench to open the
vacuum-breaker plug (not all tanks have this plug) on the drain
valve. After the tank has been drained, close the drain valve
and vacuum-breaker plug; then re-open the shutoff valve going
to the furnace.
Once again, if you have any concerns about doing this procedure
safely, you should contact a professional heating contractor.
Hope this is helpful.
Regards,
Home-Wizard.com
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QUESTION from
Art on 3/10/2008:
Other than the obvious advantage of "unlimited" hot water,
are tankless water heaters more economical than a hot water
tank? Assume that we're putting in a new system and typically
do not run out of hot water (i.e. usage is less than 40 gallons
at one time). If tankless systems are more economical to run,
is electric or gas (we actually have LP) more economical?
ANSWER FROM HOME-WIZARD.COM
ON 3/10/2008:
Dear Art:
Here is a webpage that describes the advantages and disadvantages
of the various types of tankless water heaters (its about 3/4
of the way down the page):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_heater
Unfortunately, one of the disadvantages is the economics.
Hope this is helpful.
Home-Wizard.com
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QUESTION from
madelarge on 2/11/2008:
My heat and water is ran by gas. The lights went out and the
pilot light went out on the hot water heater. I was able to
ignite it but the heat is not igniting. Both look like they
are using the same gas line.
ANSWER FROM HOME-WIZARD.COM
ON 2/11/2008:
Dear madelarge:
It sounds like you are still getting gas supply, since you were
able to relight your hot water heater.
When you say that "the lights went out and the pilot light went
out", did you mean that the power in your home went out? Or
did you mean that the pilot lights went out? If it was a power
failure, have you checked whether the fuse or circuit breaker
has tripped on your furnace? Are you exactly following your
manufacturer's recommended procedure for relighting your furnace,
(which could be a different procedure from your water heater)?
The relighting procedure should be fastened somewhere on your
furnace. It could also be that the thermocouple has failed on
your furnace.
Remember, if you smell gas in your house, do not turn any lights
on or off, and do not try to shut off the gas leading to the
furnace. Get out of the house, leaving the door open, and immediately
call the gas company or the fire department to report a leak.
Do not re-enter your home. Do not use the phone or your cellphone
from inside the house.
Home-Wizard.com
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QUESTION from dan
on 9/3/2008
My hot water heater is 12 yrs old. If the temp. setting is too
low will there be days when the water is hotter than others.
Also should the heating element(s) be removed and cleaned peiodically
ANSWER FROM HOME-WIZARD.COM on 9/3/2008
Dear Dan:
If the temperature setting on the thermostat on your hot water
heater is too low, then you might find your home running out
of hot water from time to time. Also, you may find that it takes
longer for your hot water to recover after large hot water uses
(baths, showers, dishwasher, etc.). But on the other hand, lowering
your temperature setting on your hot water heater can help you
save energy.
However, if your thermostat is operating properly, then I can't
see a reason why some days would have water hotter than others,
just because you set the temperature lower.
Regarding your second question about whether the heating element
(or elements, if your unit has both higher and lower heating
elements) of your water heater should be removed and cleaned
routinely, the answer is that the heating element(s) is usually
just removed and cleaned when it shows evidence of failure.
You should routinely backflush your water heater (see our Maintenance
Library) to remove sediment and scale, and the frequency will
depend on factors such as the hardness of your water and how
you use hot water in your home. But removing a heating element
is a fairly involved job, and if your water heater is operating
properly, it's not something that one would do without cause,
that is, if your delivery and recovery of hot water has not
declined significantly.
Hope this is helpful.
Home-Wizard.com
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QUESTION from Kat Bannister on 9/7/2008
I need to purchase an expansion valve for my hot water heater.
it is old style and i cannot afford to replace it with one of
those new expansion tanks. Can you help me find and expansion
valve to replace this with or let me know any way to stop the
leak until I can afford a plumber?
ANSWER FROM HOME-WIZARD.COM on 9/7/2008
Dear Kat:
If I understand your situation correctly, it sounds like your
pressure relief valve on our hot water heater is leaking water
out through the discharge tube, right? And if I had to assume,
your home has a back flow prevention valve on the water supply
to your house, and you do not have an expansion tank on your
hot water system, correct?
First to answer your first question, you can purchase a pressure
relief valve at most plumbing supply businesses. Here's an example
of an online distributor, although we do not have any experience
with them: http://www.plumbingworld.com/heatingrelatedproducts.html
But regarding your question of stopping the leak, it is VERY
IMPORTANT to note that your water heater's pressure relief valve
may be leaking because it is doing its job. That is, that the
water pressure in your hot water heater may be too high, and
it is venting water to help get the pressure down. An over-pressured
water heater can be VERY DANGEROUS, as they have been known
to explode.
One question is whether this leaking from your pressure relief
valve is because this valve is failing? Or is it because you
have a back flow prevention valve on your system, but you do
not have an expansion tank . . . and as the water heats and
expands, it has no place to go, so it causes your pressure relief
valve to open? Or is it because your tank is operating at too
high of a pressure?
Here is an online article that describes the operation of water
heater pressure relief valves, that you might find helpful:
http://www.factsfacts.com/MyHomeRepair/PressureRelief.htm
Since your pressure relief valve is an important safety feature
of your water heater, we have to advise that you should have
a trained professional evaluate it as soon as possible.
Probably not what you wanted to hear, but we hope this is helpful
for you.
Home-Wizard.com
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QUESTION from mike
on 9/19/2008
hot water tank leaking at the drain valve put a pipe wrench
on it put a little pressure on it didnt move afraid of it snaping
off and then have to buy a new water heater or it going to be
very tight
ANSWER FROM HOME-WIZARD.COM on 9/20/2008
Dear Mike:
If your question is whether you should use your pipe wrench
to force off a drain valve on your water heater that is frozen,
yes, you need to be careful not to snap it off.
Between the heat, water, sediments, etc., this valve can get
quite frozen.
Have you tried spraying penetrating oil all around the treads
of the valve, and then letting it set for several hours (even
overnight if you can). Also, after the penetrating oil has been
allowed to work its way in, when you put your wrench on it to
untighten it (and remember: "lefty loosy", "righty tighty"),
do NOT just pull hard on the wrench, instead use quick jerks
on the wrench, like pounding the end of the wrench with your
hand. These quick jerks on the wrench can do better at breaking
corroded threads that just a long sustained pull.
And remember SAFETY: I assume that you have first drained all
of the hot water out of your tank before removing the drain
valve.
Hope this is helpful.
Home-Wizard.com
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QUESTION from Ron
on 11/1/2008
we have water circuit heat....it continues to run water thru
the pipes for a long while (which can be heard in the baseboards
of the rooms), before actually just working and warming the
house like it should,when you cut hot water on the water heater
makes a rattling sound like it isn't full could it just be my
water heater on the blink and not my water circuit unit in all?....thanks
for any info you can provide
ANSWER FROM HOME-WIZARD.COM on 11/1/2008
Dear Ron:
I suspect that the problems with your hot water heater and your
baseboard heating system are not directly related.
Let's start with the problem you are having with your water
heater first. Its a bit difficult to diagnose problems with
a noisy water heater without actually hearing the sound and
physically seeing when it is occurring, but here are a few thoughts
which will hopefully be helpful for you. If you are hearing
a rattling sound when you are running your hot water, then the
problem with your water heater may be with check valve type
nipples installed on the top of your water heater, if you have
them. If you have them, they are a good have because they can
save some energy, but they also can be very annoying.
On the other hand, the noise that you are hearing from your
water heater could be the sound of boiling water caused by excessive
build-up of sediment in the bottom of your tank. This sediment
could be causing the bottom of your tank to overheat and water
to boil, which could be the noise that you are hearing. The
remedy for this is to routinely backflush your water heater
as described on the "Water Heater" page of our online Maintenance
Library:
http://www.home-wizard.com/maintenance/waterheater.asp
Now, regarding your first problem, it sounds like your baseboard
radiators are heating up fine, but you think that it is circulating
water for too long before it actually heats up the baseboard
radiators. Am I understanding you correctly? What I'm wondering
is if whether the sound that you are hearing in your baseboard
heating system pipes is the sound of trapped air that is circulating
in with the water, and causing your system to operating inefficiently.
If you haven't tried it already, I would suggest that you bleed
all of the air out of your system.
Hope this is helpful.
Home-Wizard.com
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QUESTION from bhleske
on 9/25/2009
How much water should flow out the bottom cold water relief
valve in an electric hot water system.we seem to be losing a
fair bit more than 8 gallons
ANSWER FROM HOME-WIZARD.COM on 9/25/2009
Dear bhleske:
Just a couple of questions so that I can better understand your
situation:
1) how do you mean the "bottom cold water relief valve"? Are
you referring to a drain valve on the supply side? Or the pressure
relief valve (which should actually be on the hot side)?
2) when you say you are "losing more than 8 gallons," over what
time period are losing this volume? Or do you mean that this
how much comes out when you drain the tank?
If you can let me know on these questions, hopefully I will
be able to help you.
Sincerely,
Home-Wizard.com
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QUESTION from bhleske
on 9/27/2009
Dear Home-Wizard;
Attached is a photo hopefully to clear things up. The black
knob is the non return valve for cold water inlet to tank
Water loss is when heater is heating.
Regards
ANSWER FROM HOME-WIZARD.COM
on 9/27/2009
Dear bhleske:
Thank you for sending the photo, that was very helpful.
There are two reasons why a pressure relief value could be leaking
on your water heater:
1) the valve has either gone bad, or has a particle of sediment
from the tank that is keeping it from seating properly; or
2) the pressure in your tank is exceeding the relief point.
Regarding your pressure relief valve, you might want to try
lifting the lever in the valve to allow it to discharge (be
careful, as the water coming out can be scalding hot) so it
can flush out any debris. Alternatively you may have to replace
the valve. These valves are usually not very expensive, but
they can be hard to remove.
And regarding the pressure in your tank being too high, if you
don't already have one, then you may need to have an expansion
tank installed. The other cause could be that the line pressure
from you main supply may have become too high.
Hope this is helpful.
Home-Wizard.com
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